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Laird Limousine
Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:18am
 
My work schedule required that I step away from the Bf-109 for awhile. When I had a few minutes to start back up, I decided to lay it aside for a bit because of some frustrations I was having with the fuselage construction. I hope to pick it back up over the Holidays.

Clearing my head sometimes involves starting a new project. My head must be extremely clear - I have about 12 projects I've started... Wink This makes 13.. Smiley

I've always been a fan of Dave Stott's simple dime scale plans, and recently, I've taken to enlarging his plans from 16" span, to about 20"-21". This involves minimal structural adjustment except for enlarging wood sizes from 1/16" sq to 3/32" etc.

First was his Fokker V.5 airliner enlarged from 15" span to 20", then his Farman F.170 "Jabiru" peanut also enlarged to 20" span.

Up next, is the Laird Limousine.

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Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:29am
 
I know what you mean about clearing your head, I too have a dozen of so half-finished models waiting for the right level of clarity...

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Reply #2 - Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:34am
 
The Limousine is a 1920's open cockpit, biplane airliner, and true to Dave's style, the plans are drawn with a very simple construction style and minimal detail. At 21" span, it will fit perfectly into the FAC "simple scale' event.

I've made some good progress over the past weeks, and now have something to show for my efforts. The entire frame is complete, and I'm working on some infill areas around the engine on the fuselage. Typically, I would use a single sheet to fill the opening, but this area has multiple contours and I felt it would be quicker to fill with large sticks instead of fussing with paper templates and fitting and sanding to final shape. The extra joints and glue won't make much of a difference - this plane will need nose weight.  Wink

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Reply #3 - Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am
 
The plans call out the colors to be gold for the wings and tail, black for the fuselage.

I'm using a gold/champaign color tissue I found at a gift store called 'Papyrus". I used their silver tissue on the Farman F.170 (above) and was pleased with the results. It has great wet strength. It's also stiff and somewhat 'brittle', with color on both sides of the paper. It does shrink and tighten, but not as drastic as esaki. I still pre-shrink on a frame before using on balsa.

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Reply #4 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 6:34am
 
jernst wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:18am:
Clearing my head sometimes involves starting a new project. My head must be extremely clear - I have about 12 projects I've started... Wink This makes 13.. Smiley

Mike Stuart Jr.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 11:09am
 
That looks very nice indeed John, and I really like the Fokker airliner; lovely model!.

Where are Dave Stotts plans available from? I found some on Outerzone but not any of the three models here.

I too have plenty of models half completed. My usual stopping point is when I get to covering. I'm rubbish at it so I pause; then start something else!

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Reply #6 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
TimH wrote on Nov 26th, 2013 at 11:09am:
My usual stopping point is when I get to covering. I'm rubbish at it so I pause; then start something else!

We really need to start a support group for this.

-a different Tim
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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 6:06pm
 
Quote:
We really need to start a support group for this.


Do you mean for people who are rubbish at covering or for people who can't finish what they start?

Either way,   I'm in Embarrassed

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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:48am
 
So..all the gold covering is finished. Now on to the black fuselage.

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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:00am
 
Nice, clean, construction as usual,John. I really like the simplicity of Stott's stuff and you do him well. I am curious how the tip airfoil will work out in  actual flying. Have you ever used it before?
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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:26am
 
tom arnold wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:00am:
Nice, clean, construction as usual,John. I really like the simplicity of Stott's stuff and you do him well. I am curious how the tip airfoil will work out in actual flying. Have you ever used it before?


Thanks, Tom. It is an interesting tip condition, and no, I have never used it. Dave's plans and models are usually good flyers, so I wasn't thinking that I needed to play around with it. Time will tell , I guess  Wink

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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 11:10pm
 
Looks very nice!

I found that Papyrus store on-line. Have you tried any of the non-metallic ones? If yes, do they have good wet strength too?

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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:48am
 
atesus wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 11:10pm:
Looks very nice!
I found that Papyrus store on-line. Have you tried any of the non-metallic ones? If yes, do they have good wet strength too?
--Ates


Thanks, Ates Wink

I have not tried any of their other tissue. I came across their metallic tissue by accident - it was part of a gift that was given to me.

For anyone interested, here's a link to the tissue paper we're referring to...

http://www.papyrusonline.com/wrap-and-bags/tissue-paper/metallic-tissue-paper.ht...

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Reply #13 - Dec 9th, 2013 at 11:25am
 
Progress begins on the black covering of the fuselage. The window frames and door outline are drawn with silver gell ink pen.

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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2013 at 10:31pm
 
John, the silver gell ink looks very good on the black background. Have to try it on a future dark covering project. Wink

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Reply #15 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 5:03am
 
I haven't posted lately, but I have been making progress with the Laird.
The covering is complete and assembly has begun....
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Reply #16 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:46am
 
Looking good!!

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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 7:25am
 
Thanks, Lyman.

I added the rigging last night. I'm sure there was more on the real plane, but I wanted just enough to make it look 'convincing' Wink The exhaust stacks were added also.

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Reply #18 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:01am
 
John, looking convincing to me Smiley
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Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:36am
 
We all have our own way of doing things. Methods we feel comfortable with. Ways that work for us. One of the nice things about these various forums, is that we can share those methods.

Here's how I do my wheel covers....

- Tissue attached to stiff paper backing.
- Diameter of covering drawn onto the tissue with a wide black marker.
- Tick marks drawn at the 1/4 points of the circle used to find center of circle
- Cut out wheel cover and run black marker around cut edge to remove 'white'.
- Find center point of circle, poke with pin
- Gluestick adhesive applied to inside face of wheel cover
- reinsert pin into center hole of cover, align pin through pre-drilled axle hole in wheel.
- Slide wheel cover onto wheel. Press firmly
- Rinse, repeat

This method may, or may not work for you. Maybe you have a better way of doing the same thing. The one thing I like about the wider black marker circle, is that you don't have to be 'perfect' when cutting the diameter. The black circle against the black wheel hides any imperfections.

Of course, your results may vary.

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