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JonSayre

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Fiberglassing tail parts
Sep 6th, 2009 at 10:35am
 
I have been glassing the tail parts on my gliders lately and wanted to share a few reasons why I like to do so and an easy inexspensive way to do it.

   The reasons are all quite simple, stiffer parts, more consistent launches due to less flexing upon release and less warping caused from atmospheric or weather conditions. I am not sure of this last thought of wether thinner is better but you can reduce balsa size but increase rigidity possibly creating less drag. It may not be as efficient though? I would love to hear comments on that theory.

With a bit of practice the weight gain is very minimal considering there is no need to apply any kind of waterproofing finish.


     There are better ways to vacuum bag stabs but this is an inexpensive way with readily available supplies. There are many different ways to glass a stab so try some experimenting and let us all know what you learn!

Supplies-

1) Write on wipe off board just like shown at this site. http://www.misterart.com/g8559/Carolina-Pad-Write-On-Wipe-Off-Poster-Board.htm&n...; They are available online, through Ebay, or from a local Michael's craft store. It is important to hand pick what you buy unless buying online because the sheets dent and crease easily. Any dents or imperfections will be transfered to your stab.

2) Ziploc vacuum pump with gallon sized vacuum bags just like this http://www.foodnetworkfans.com/forum/kitchen-gear-appliances/5540-ziplock-has-va...
You can find these at fredmeyer or many other grocery store for about 5$ When sealing the bag I like to use a strip of packaging tape to double seal the actual zipper by just taping the top of the bag shut. Make sure you don't touch the little flap valve seal at all or it will not function as well.

3) You will also need some pure carnuba car wax or other proven release agent to apply to the write on wipe off carrier. I use Mothers pure carnuba wax.

4) sharp scissors and or a rotary cutter and mat, some kind of roller be it a wall paper roller or smooth glass jar, paper towels, mixing bowl, a phone book or two, and some good laminating resin with a decent potlife. I like Pro-Set as it becomes very crisp, I like to use .6oz. glass I think the lighter the better. sig sells some 3/4oz. glass at hobby shops but it is folded so I suggest getting it in a roll. You will also need some 10 mil painters plastic or equivalent to wet out your glass and to cover yours parts with inside the bag.

To start shape your tail parts from balsa using a template that you will also use to trace an outline 1/32" oversized onto the dull side of your write on wipe off sheet (aka mylar) before you cut out the mylar wax it on the shiny side with one coat of carnuba then let dry for 20min. then apply another heavy coat then immediatley start to polish till the wax seems to dissapear and the mylar is very slick and shiny. This is your finish that will appear on the stab so make it perfect! Waxing before you cut helps minimize any accidental creasing or folding of the mylar. Then cut out and set aside.

Roll out enough platic to cover you work spcae or your cutting mat, then place the mylars waxed side up on the plastic. Roll out you glass on a 45degree bias to the tail parts then with your scissors cut off the chunk big enough to cover all your parts and let it lay on the mylar over the palstic.

Next wet out your glass covered mylar parts with epoxy using either a roller, foam brush or a saturated paper towel wearing gloves. Once wetted out fold up a paper towel into a square and blot out the excess epoxy off each mylar using one side of the paper towel for each mylar( refold the paper towel to a fresh side for each mylar) Then take a fresh paper towel and cut it in half hot dog way. Place the fresh paper towel down on the wet glass and roll it with your roller to soak up any extra epoxy then repeat with fresh paper towels for each mylar. Do this only once so that the skin does not become too dry.

Once finished, using the rotary cutter cut around the mylar an 1/8" or more ovwersized from the outline cutting through the painters plastic. toss all the waste then peel off the painters plastic from the back of the mylar, accurately place your tail parts onto the glass side up mylars then cover with the other half. Tape the mylars together to ensure they do not move while in the bag.

Then place into the ziploc bag, you can also place the mylars into a painters plastic envelope then place into the bag but it is not needed. The excess thickness of the painters palstic envelope makes it harder for the vacuum bag to suck tight around the outline of your stab which is important. The ziploc bag has it's own built in breather side of the bag so no need for an additional breather. Seal the bag and pump out the air as hard as you can. After making sure everything looks good tape shut the zipper end with clear packaging tape then pull vacuum again.

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JonSayre

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Re: Fiberglassing tail parts
Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2009 at 10:39am
 
At this point palce the bag of goodies on a very flat surface with a phone book on top, I like the phone book as it conforms better to the shape of your parts. It is best to do this on a weekend or day that you can redraw vacuum every hour or so with the little pump. I have tried taping the valve flap shut but it still does not hold perfect vacuum so I just re pump evey hour or so. once cured to a B stage you can stop pumping so much. Heating the parts over a heat register or with a heating pad or simple 100 watt bulb and hot box will help cure the parts faster and better.

If you have any questions feel free to ask as I am sure with this much typing I probably missed a few things.

If you try it let us know the results and any other tips or tricks you have to add!  Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 10:29pm
 
Excellent post Jon! I will have to give it a shot.
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Reply #3 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 8:39am
 
Another possibility for a vacuum source is a aquarium pump (has been discussed on RCGroups).

Goto WalMart and buy an aquarium pump for 10 to 15 bux. I think the Tetra 60 is the model of choice. Take apart and reverse the valves. Voila, it now draws a vacuum.

I bought a pump at WalMart and it wasn't a Tetra. It took a bit of figuring and fiddling, but I was able to make it work as a vacuum pump.

Due to the reed valves, the max vacuum is pretty low. I haven't measured mine.

On the upside, the pump is UL rated and is designed to run continuously, so you can setup your bag and leave it alone for a while to cure.

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Reply #4 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 2:29pm
 
Cap_n_Dave wrote on Sep 8th, 2009 at 8:39am:
Another possibility for a vacuum source is a aquarium pump (has been discussed on RCGroups).



Do you have the link to the above discussion?  I have several aquarium air pumps laying around and am interested. Thanks!
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Reply #5 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 3:47pm
 
If you have the money or already have an aquarium pump I highly reccomend it as well. That way you dont have to constantly pump the little bags like a mad man. Here are a few links with different ways to achieve the same thing. Also fridge compressors work well too, and may be available from your local metal scrap yard for 40 cents a pound or so.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=966524

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=980893&highlight=aquarium+pumps
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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 9:02pm
 
Thanks John! Lots of cool information. Are you going to make it for this weekends contest at Tangent? The weather is looking warm!
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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2009 at 8:09am
 
Derek:
Sorry for the late reply.

Here is the thread I've been following: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=980893

Not sure if it was already posted.

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