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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #90 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 9:52am
 
That's perfect, thanks Ployd.
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Reply #91 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:18am
 
well done mate-  and thanks for your efforts.  Maybe this evening I will start some butchering of balsa and get a new one started.
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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #92 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:26am
 
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Can I ask a question - When throwing a hlg - I throw right climb - left glide.  By the look of the pics, yours is set up for right turns which would indicate to me that you are left handed and going left - right or you have a glider here that you are throwing right and gliding right. If the latter, how are you controlling it to stop it being a worm killer and spin in?  Is the right inner panel larger than the left to generate more lift and stop this?  If already covered this sunject, I will skulk back and make sure I read the thread more thoroughly? Apologies in advance.
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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #93 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:37pm
 
Hi Kev

I obviously can't speak for PeterL, but from my feeble attempts & what I've seen at the comps, with a gadgetless model the launch & glide is exactly opposite to that for a javelin launch. By that I mean, for a righthander you are spinning anti-clockwise (just like a righthanded discus thrower), thus the model starts turning to the left until it is countered by right rudder and/or tail tilt. The difficult bit is getting the right turn just right, and also ensuring a good transition.

I built a 25 incher, to experiment with, well over a year ago and still haven't got it sorted. Admittedly I've hardly twirled it this year, and I think that it needs a concerted effort to get it sorted. All the indications are that it's easier to launch & trim a bigger model, so that's what I'll have to do when I've got some of the other build priorities out of the way.

Write out a hundred times: I must not lose my models, I must not......!!

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Reply #94 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 8:05am
 
Hi Kev

Like Mark Benn's and PeterT, I am right handed which means I'm not as smart as a southpaw but in essence you twirl the model into a climbing  left turn with your right arm and a bit of right rudder plus TIP WEIGHT on the right hand wing tip rolls it into a right glide and as PeeTee said " it's the opposite to a normal right handed javelin launch". Cheesy

I just remembered, I do not use any tail tilt all done with the rudder.

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Reply #95 - Sep 6th, 2006 at 7:18am
 
2254 views and still counting Shocked Since the plan view was posted  there has been a lot of lookers (nearly 250) so if anybody out there is building one or using the information to construct their own design, how about sharing your efforts with the rest of us, we are interested Wink

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Reply #96 - Oct 20th, 2006 at 7:28am
 
Fellow Twirly Hurlers
In the Discus Dancer topic it was suggested that the fin could be overpowering the model. This got me thinking in relation to the Morris Dancer as I have suspected that the tail surfaces were too large for the model (based on the Spencer Willis “Big-un”) and wondered if reducing the sizes would make the MD more responsive.

Under normal circumstances you make one change at a time, test and then review, not me! I went the whole hog and fitted a new smaller span stab and fin then went down to the local park to try it out.

The first observation was that with no rudder offset the model went dead straight so I bent in about 1mm and Javelin launched the model and this time I got a wide right hand circle with no stall. Time to twirl.

The weather conditions were a bit thermally so any launch would be inconclusive as far as altitude gained was concerned if I connected with one and that was the case, it was spectacular! However, the transition resulted in a stall that took several circles to dampen out with a corresponding loss of altitude so rather than add more rudder I have add more nose weight which I will try then remove and add more tip weight to see which is the better method of eliminating the stall.
I do not want to add any more rudder deflection as this will result in a spiral dive once it centres.

Below are the new stab and fin/rudder shapes which were drawn full-size but shrunk to fit the image size limits. A scale rule is provided below so that enlargement to the proper size can be made.

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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #97 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 4:56am
 
Fellow Twirly Hurlers

I have made a further 2 modifications to the Morris Dancer which increase durability and stability.

On the plan published above on this page increase the inner panel dihedral from 12mm to 15mm, it does help AND on the stab I add a small rib on the under surface from 0.8 thick balsa x 1.5mm deep at approximately 1/2 span to stop the stab from splitting when it flips over on landing.

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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #98 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 8:13pm
 
Absolutely fantastic!...Hey Ployd...Where is the CG located on your dancer?-Turner
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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #99 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 4:31am
 
Hi USHLGH

The cg is at 49% of the root chord or 60mm in from the leading edge.

I forgot to add I have upped the thickness of the top carbon strips to 8 thou (0.02mm) as the original size has started to "pop" in a couple of places.

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Re: 36" Morris Dancer
Reply #100 - Jan 24th, 2007 at 5:32am
 
Hi All

We have reached a important milestone in that this topic has just scored its maiden test century (in short, doing a bit better than some "English tourists" in OZ) and that I can now announce that full-size plans for the Morris Dancer ver 2.1 are available at USD15.00 airmailed to the 'states.

For England and Europe, plans are to be purchased through Mike Woodhouse Free Flight Supplies.

As you can see from the photo they are fairly comprehensive and will be supplimented by additional construction notes that cover some features that could not be put on the plan (most of it has been published already).

If you are interested I can be contacted through this forum or via my website (preferred).

The topic is now closed so please don't post any further comments. Thanks for looking.

Ployd
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